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1. Alan Pepper 2014-06-21 11:08:02
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窮人在這裏想發達，成功率基本等於零
I have to disagree. But yes it is extremely difficult and I am definitely NOT a spokesperson for it. Although I have seen miracles happen recently and all of those happen in old AND new industries. In my friend's examples, in design, logistics, and tech. Some gave up their job in HK, some move to China, and some do it while still taking salary from HK. These are people who are from low income or middle class families. All are in their late 30's and early 40's, with the exception of one 20 something (you guessed it, he's in tech)
So NO it is not impossible, but YES it is difficult and requires not only hard work, but 創意, 智慧, 知識 and 毅力.
And would you please elaborate 按人口比例，億萬富翁數字是美國的六倍，卻有不少市民的收入連正常生活水平都難以維持? Does this mean % of the rich is more than the US? If so, would you please compare HK against New York instead? Because comparing an entire Country against The Financial Center is unfair isn't it? US has New York, but also has Detroit. US has farms, HK does not. US has thousands of suburbs, HK arguably is too small to have any suburban areas.
If I misunderstood you on "按人口比例，億萬富翁數字是美國的六倍" I apologize in advance.
Yes HK has, as with most major cities, a 貧者愈貧，富者愈富 problem, which I do NOT have a solution. But please be more objective in your writing as a "傳媒人" and stop using your manipulative words to promote social unrest.
Hong Kong is still a city that has opportunities, and there are those who grasp it with 創意, 智慧, 知識 and 毅力. Please make yourself one of those people!
If any brothers and sisters share my view, please write your opinion (if possible in Chinese, and I apologize for my poor Chinese typing skills and literature) and spread more INSPIRING words to the people of Hong Kong. We don't need anymore HATE, we need more ENERGY.
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2. yy 2014-06-21 22:53:36
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謝文達 "相比之下，窮人在這裏想發達，成功率基本等於零"是煽動仇富！我敢保證，廿年後肯定會出現一群四十多歲的白手興家近億的富人，任何行業都有，飲食、工程、運輸、設計、演藝、批發、維修、再加上大學專科的人才，祇要她、他們肯勤奮節儉謙虛上進不計較，社會上的財富終歸會落入她、他們手中，任誰作出千方百計承傳也阻不了。祇有無本事和悲觀的蠢蛋才會説時不我與無機會，滿腔熱情滿懷希望熱愛手頭上的任何工作，盡忠職守之餘更要不計功勞，費寢忘餐地加以改良改善，力求每事至臻完美，交貨標準永遠是高於人客要求，能做到這境界的，是錢追着妳、你，是錢揾妳、你，不再是你揾錢了。
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3. Learning Gor 2014-06-22 00:42:01
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This is a lot of BS in this article. There were a lot more poor people in the 40's, 50's, 60's and the 70's. People then were living happier and in more harmony than it is now. The difference is people now has stop working himself to have a better living, instead they simply demand other people to give them a better living. With this kind of media people they had turned Hong Kong into a totally different place in less than 10 years. The HK media is poisoning HK people's mind and killing HK.
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4. 謝文達正乞兒！ 2014-06-22 22:00:11
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5. hongkong people 2014-06-22 23:38:51
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謝文達真有少少閉門造車,井底之蛙之嫌。一個社會只要保持經濟有活力,人人有工開,再加良好教育及低稅率,在一個有正常腦袋的市民來說已不可再要求,至於個別人士富貴或貧窮,有太多個人因素,又豈可怪罪任何人,人貴乎自知及自省,只有如此人才會進步,才可改變自已命運。
當然同意筆者所說,香港窮人不少,但咎其原因,可能很大部份原因是香港沒有審批權的每日150個移民配額,如這移民政策不改,恐怕情況只有越加嚴重,至於本地貧窮人士,建議他們自我檢討,當普遍人努力讀書打拼的時候,他們都在做甚麼,可以當中有少部人是真的不幸,但相信大部份人是不自覺地選擇沉淪,天曉得。
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6. hongkong people 2014-06-23 00:01:12
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香港經濟基調好,稅率低,本來是一個好得不能再好的地方,一個人只要勤奮努力,小心管理自己的財富,要從貧窮變小康,小康變小富,我敢說本來香港是全世界最好的地方,比星加坡更好,對筆者所言“在這裡想發達,機會等於零”不甚理解,希望筆者能詳述。
只是近年香港政府政策有點走火入魔,背香港成功之道而馳,落力制造貧窮,一方面廣派福利,鼓勵貧窮,另一方面打壓小業主,打壓醫療界,及一眾努力想以樓養老的上進人士。
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7. 老記 2014-06-23 00:29:57
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富人多窮人更多 全世界哪裡不是這樣？ 阿媽是女人式文章，寫來賺稿費？可悲！
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唔係嘛,香港遠超130萬人唔夠營養?
即係, 每6個人就有超過一個營養不良?
所謂均衡營養膳食的份量, 係咪以養到美國超多人痴肥的基礎去計算???
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9. 撐筆者 2014-06-23 17:39:12
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你試下你係做執垃圾又睇下你喺香港點發圍?
唔好成日講埋d咩窮人窮因為佢地唔進取etc... 我夠膽講你地身份調換你地條路一樣都係甘窮!
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10. Alan Pepper 2014-06-24 01:13:59
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To 9/F
No need to get angry. You know 執垃圾 can still make a lot of money? If you use your brain that is. You know in have a friend who used to pay an old lady working for the buildings $2,000 per month to clear out his boxes every day in his office for many years. And when she retired he couldn't find anyone to clear them out and don't want to hire a full time staff for it. So he asked his colleagues to clear them out every week instead. At year end, they ended up with extra $30,000 from paper recycling.
No the old lady was not rich. But she sure was smart and well off! Think about it. A normal salary from the building, $30,000 from recycling, 24,000 from extra pay. This is only 1 Floor of a 15 story industrial building! She may have been making close to a million each year? Who knows if she has properties invested also?
So it doesn't matter what background you come from. You can still get very well off by hard work and SMART work! But if she had only done what her boss tell her, then she would be making only $100,000 per year!
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11. Alan Pepper 2014-06-24 01:16:59
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This land is full of opportunities! Don't ruin it!
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12. 向飯民說不 2014-06-24 11:08:31
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如果一对夫妻住在公屋，他们有理想要致富，一定可以打倒。香港的公屋户，基本上可以支付的开支高达90%，而他们基本上不用交税。正常家庭，一个月收入2万，公屋开支1000多，每个月有1万几的挣收入。如果识理财或者做生意，肯定可以脱贫。 过去20几年，因为靠近大陆，香港的生活日用品根本非常低。 他们不能致富的真正原因是福利养懒人。虽然这些人相对收入高，但是因为没有居住压力，所以消费很高，全部都不懂理财，结果一世贫穷。
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13. 向飯民說不 2014-06-24 11:12:21
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9楼，不要on9啦，那些執垃圾的分分钟比你富贵。你还是担心一下自己。
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14. 亮劍 2014-06-24 11:28:19
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行行出狀元，在香港如果你肯做厭惡性工作，分分鐘月入幾皮，喺西半山路窄，垃圾收集站又唔多，唔少大廈因此要將倒垃圾外判俾專業環保公司，一家大细每晚收拾幾幢楼，然後將垃圾車走，我估每個月執4到5万，請注意呢度只是講晚上咋，朝头早他們係另外有嘢做的。
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15. to 13/f 2014-06-24 12:14:09
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阿13樓,唔好on9啦,我分分鐘有錢過你好多,你想搵多過我不如去執垃圾啦
不過算啦睇你個款點講都係on 9..天生既冇得救
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16. Alan Pepper 2014-06-24 12:22:57
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To 13 & 15
Please hold your anger la... I think you BOTH want HK to become a better place. Common goal, just different perspective.
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17. to 16/f 2014-06-24 13:21:12
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to b honest i think we all should try focus on solving the 貧富懸殊problem instead of saying there is no way to solve it. if it is the education fault, then correct it, if u think if it is the policy issue? then anend it. leave it or just simply asking the poor the accept it would only lead to abomination.
for the worst case scenario, u really think that the rich would win when 階級鬥爭happens in hk?
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18. Alan Pepper 2014-06-24 13:42:07
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To 17/F
I don't believe the 貧富懸殊 problem can be solved in any society, I'm sorry but this is the reality. But I believe that HK is still full of opportunites, we must sustain this, and we must make people believe this is true. We must try to inspire, not criticize. We must incubate, not suppress.
As for the poor, we already have a very capable system, which is sometimes exploited but also can be improved. These include medical care, education, transport, police, fire and security, subsidized housing. All of which are supported by tax payers and high land prices (which is arguably a 間接稅, which makes up 2/3 of government revenue each year)
And I have to emphasize, each of the above can be improved, but Rome was not built in one day.
Education for example, you can only teach those who want to learn. 五指有長短. No school, no policy, no bible, no religion can solve this kind of problem. We just have to respect each individual as an "individual". Each has their own choice and outcomes.
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19. to 18/f 2014-06-24 16:06:23
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i could only say it will always be solved. just one way or another. i m saying is if we dun solve it in a peaceful way it will only end up in not a peaceful one.
if u think it will never happen in place like hk.. then i would just say tell will tell.
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20. to 18/f 2014-06-24 16:07:22
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i could only say it will always be solved. just one way or another. i m saying is if we dun solve it in a peaceful way it will only end up in not a peaceful one.
if u think it will never happen in place like hk.. then i would just say time will tell.
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21. Alan Pepper 2014-06-24 16:17:15
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To 20/F., I wish you are right la...
Take care
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22. 東 2014-06-24 16:59:10
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to 17/F
點先叫"貧富懸殊"?
打破"貧富懸殊"的方法, 係咪"共貧"?
一個農村有一百人, 全部人月收入一百蚊
某日村長引入新科技
變左村長月收入一萬, 其他人, 因村長的技術, 每人月收入變左五百...
Why need to solve it? Why need to correct it?
咁唔係件好事?
村長賺多左就係惡魔, 就係乜產霸權?
為乜你要進行"階級鬥爭"?
村長係老人家, win 唔到 "階級鬥爭", 所以佢唔應該賺多啲???
講到底, 你的準則到底係乜?
有能力的人, 唔應該賺多啲?
唔通要做又三十六咁先啱???
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23. 子婷 2014-06-24 17:13:08
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看到Alan Pepper兄的呼籲，第一次來到看謝生的blog.. 同意Alan兄主要的觀點: " Hong Kong is still a city that has opportunities, and there are those who grasp it with 創意, 智慧, 知識 and 毅力. Please make yourself one of those people!“
小妹乃85後，認識很多位出身草根的人，也靠著智慧、努力、節儉而正面的性格創出一番事業。大家少時讀書的努力都沒有白費，畢業了幾年，現在都有高收入，另外也有自己出來創業做trading生意、做IT、做投資等等的，各有各的天地。
至於同樣草根但仍然窮困的那班，則總是愛花錢買潮流物品、去旅行、愛抱怨、對工作沒有熱誠而只『為份糧打卡』。
態度決定命運，幾十年後睇返轉頭，這個時代一樣會有許多成功的故事。
每個年代的年輕人都覺得上一代比他們多機會、比他們更容易； 每個年代的老一輩都覺得一代不如一代、看不過眼。
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24. to 東 2014-06-24 17:39:28
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不嬲都話樓乃民生所需!
村長引入新科技,有幾千萬身家,之後買哂d 地,要全村人做成世為佢先有地方住.
如果故事發現成甘,村長的確係悪魔!
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25. 小陽 2014-06-24 18:19:39
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公屋居屋係窮人民生所需， 有乜問政府攞，政府邊有這広多＄， 全民徵稅，有權利必有義務， 唔係賴自己條命生得唔好。 呢度除了二世組，任何年代在香港都辛苦供樓，除了你住公屋。
眼高手低，又要威住私樓又要唔辛苦。
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26. 有殻蝸牛 2014-06-24 19:26:56
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衣食住行係民生必需品，不過私有財產包括私人物業、私家車絶對唔係。唔該攪清楚住屋需要同置業需求。政府無責任亦無權利搶奪私有財產補貼俾暫時未有能力置業嘅市民，需要幫助嘅係瞓街嘅人，方法係公屋。正如政府只會提供公共交通工具但係唔會送私家車俾無錢買車嘅人。
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27. 蜕变中嘅懒人 2014-06-24 20:32:16
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23樓 子婷靚女話：態度決定命運。 懶人非常同意，亦係時常用來教仔嘅句子，運氣其實平均計每人大致一樣，有人運氣差就因為有人運氣好，運氣好嘅人全因做事態度積極，讀書、做事、待人接物、理想、目標，皆全力以赴，好似珍惜香港兄話，一身正能量，大事焉有不成，前途一片光明；反之，消極之人，負能量纏繞一生，難逢好運，一生坎坷。 子婷靚女嘅積極人生態度，願我兒一樣就好了。
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28. to 26/f 2014-06-24 21:09:44
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坦白講公屋冇入息上限我絕對覺得私樓係純投資品!而家入息上限重低過最低工資甘樓就可以話係必需品!
當人均平均入息係2萬,巴士車費係$1000一程既話,係!!!!冇錯政府絶對有責任1)推冧車費 2)大量補貼人買車
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29. 有殻蝸牛 2014-06-24 21:35:13
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私樓唔係純投資品，係同時滿足住屋需求同投資需要。
公共交通工具車費過高，點解唔係引入更多巴士公司，透過競爭減低車費？要其他自食其力嘅人補貼俾你買車？無錢食飯就要求政府派鮑魚？
公屋入息上限低過最低工資，點解唔要求增加公私營供應比例同時調高上限？另外居屋你合唔合資格？如果都唔合資格，屯門你買唔買得起？如果入息ok但唔夠首期，唔可以儲多幾年？
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30. 有殻蝸牛 2014-06-24 21:51:18
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要坐車可以坐巴士、小巴、地鐵、的士，想買車可以考慮Toyota，有錢嘅可以買Benz。
當你樓下無巴士小巴而又唔夠錢買寶馬，Toyota你覺得cheap，坐的士覺得益左司車，咁唯一嘅出路咪迫政府搶車送俾你囉。
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31. 小陽 2014-06-24 22:51:44
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32. 東 2014-06-25 10:50:22
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to 24
你估村長唔想俾多啲地出黎耕田, 搵多啲錢開發多啲商機?
但啲無知村民俾唔俾先??
村長想開發河邊, 河邊村民話污染水源...
村長想開發海邊, 海邊村民話攪到佢想唔到海豚...
村長想開發山邊, 山邊村民話破壞佢的公園...
村長想開發東北, 呢次連對面西南的村民都出埋衝擊鄉公所!!!!
喂, 呢次唔夠地耕田, 係村長的錯, 定係啲村民自己攞黎??????
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33. 東 2014-06-25 11:06:35
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24: 「村長引入新科技,有幾千萬身家,之後買哂d 地,要全村人做成世為佢先有地方住.」實情係, 原本好多人都有自己的一片田, 好地地無事村長引入新科技後, 農地地價係咁升啲原本有地的村民, 有啲見自己啲地價升左咁多, 獲利回吐賣晒自家地俾其他人, 之後拎左啲cash去享受, 再同村長租返啲田去耕...啲原本無地的村民, 諗住總有一日會跌返, 就疊埋心水等爆煲...點知原來啲地價根本無泡沫, 收成真係好左, 自然地價就係咁升, 幾年後又升左幾倍...村民自己唔買地, 反而村長變左惡魔...
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34. 東 2014-06-25 11:07:29
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24: 「村長引入新科技,有幾千萬身家,之後買哂d 地,要全村人做成世為佢先有地方住.」
實情係, 原本好多人都有自己的一片田, 好地地無事
村長引入新科技後, 農地地價係咁升
啲原本有地的村民, 有啲見自己啲地價升左咁多, 獲利回吐賣晒自家地俾其他人, 之後拎左啲cash去享受, 再同村長租返啲田去耕...
啲原本無地的村民, 諗住總有一日會跌返, 就疊埋心水等爆煲...
點知原來啲地價根本無泡沫, 收成真係好左, 自然地價就係咁升, 幾年後又升左幾倍...
村民自己唔買地, 反而村長變左惡魔...
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35. 有殻蝸牛 2014-06-25 11:53:21
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多謝小陽姐，我講嘅嘢根本大家都知，只係有d人扮唔明喺度呃納稅人錢。
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36. 無良政客難辭其咎 2014-07-17 13:54:25
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Dr, couldn't agree more!
"新一屆政府欲撥亂反正，無奈社會太政治化，拓土建屋舉步維艱。貧者愈貧，富者愈富，無良政客難辭其咎。"
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37. To: 9/F 2014-08-13 13:27:03
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I know one 執垃圾 lady, She has two properties. One for her own use and one let out. She is richer than me. Of course, she is a very hardworking lady and keep on finding a way to earn more money.
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38. 430 2014-09-01 13:15:49
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其實窮人真的有點思想問題,做野得過且過 ,有机會時又唔夠膽 , 冇机會時又唔肯創造机會 ,只要問一問身邊成功的朋友 ,他們總有一些可令人學習概地方, 相此生活較差的朋友 ,,你就會發現兩者有大不同 ,窮得有道理...
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39. 引刀一快 2014-09-02 08:26:45
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To 27樓 懶人兄
命運同態度，可以相輔相成，亦可以係惡性循環，有時間喺度蒲論壇嘅人，大多都係順境嘅，所以傾向于去表達，態度决定命運，即係話有今日都係全靠態度好。但係我又信，好多人有正面嘅態度，係因爲好命。
社會上，落魄、犯罪、顛沛流離嘅人，我唔認爲可以貼上”態度唔好“嘅標簽。
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40. 引刀一快 2014-09-02 08:32:50
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To 38樓 430兄
你覺得日日種菜俾你食嘅農夫哥哥，係咪得過且過？佢越係安守本分，你食嘅菜就越靚，信唔信？
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41. 謝不達 2014-09-02 09:35:42
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42. To 引刀兄 2014-09-02 15:33:23
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在香港社會裹 ,其實不能用農夫作比較 ,我只能說在香港,實在沒有懷才不遇 ,肯努力 ,肯打拼 ,總會有出頭天 ! 但成名之後如何保持或更上一層 ,就要靠自已了 .如果唔係就會變柯 鎮 Don't
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43. 引刀一快 2014-09-02 16:26:09
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To 42樓 我同意香港係好制度化嘅社會，不過我認爲”肯打拼 ,總會有出頭天“係良好願望，現實好難講。
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44. to 43 2014-09-02 18:03:54
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45. ba ba 2014-09-03 12:51:03
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